tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post2091276724388714958..comments2023-12-07T10:19:05.818-05:00Comments on The Ignorant Fishermen Blog: Mary of Nazareth As The Bible Defines HerThe Ignorant Fishermenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-42152554361219694762016-12-18T08:32:50.522-05:002016-12-18T08:32:50.522-05:00Knarf, thanks for the FYI, Shutting down the debat...Knarf, thanks for the FYI, Shutting down the debate is un-American and if they believe in something they should be able to defend it. What was manifested here was that they believe in something but could not defend it with Bible... and thus the removal of this post speaks volumes to me and to many other long time Freepers. <br /><br />I'm not upset but just disappointed in FR.<br /><br />DavidThe Ignorant Fishermenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-89491825787896898172016-12-17T11:28:29.443-05:002016-12-17T11:28:29.443-05:00THIS post, Mary of Nazareth As The Bible Defines H...THIS post, Mary of Nazareth As The Bible Defines Her, was IN FREEREPUBLIC today, December 17, 2016.<br />I am aware of the mod biasis and take it all with a grain of salt.<br />I too have been given time out a couple of times, but it always gets corrected and i keep on keepin' on.<br />The Ignorant Fisherman was wrongly rejected a week ago, but it has been corrected<br />knarfAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165627122619235825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-53588634635975960592016-12-14T18:15:02.805-05:002016-12-14T18:15:02.805-05:00Ugh. Don't get me started about Free Republic...Ugh. Don't get me started about Free Republic! The place has degenerated into a scream-fest, and the intellectual quotient has degenerated from "somewhat intelligent conversation" (over 10 years ago) to "mud-pie-throwing". If it makes you feel better, I was essentially kicked off (my account was "muted"--no replies or messaging allowed--after I dared to suggest that Trump might not be the best candidate), about 3 months ago... so you're not alone, in that! :)<br /><br />Ironically enough, the Protestant religion mods didn't hesitate to smack me down, out of the blue. Huh. Maybe they're just attacking everyone they see...paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-16586045014613213382016-12-14T16:15:47.512-05:002016-12-14T16:15:47.512-05:00Unfortunately the Catholics at FreeRepublic will n...Unfortunately the Catholics at FreeRepublic will not tolerate anything other than what they believe about Mary or anything else. And any dissenting opinion/post is reported to mods and deleted. Went thru the ringer myself over it and eventually left.<br /><br />They are like two-year olds running to their mommy to tattle. <br /><br />I've left them to their deception. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-3849366040308603052010-12-20T13:35:19.042-05:002010-12-20T13:35:19.042-05:00Anonymous wrote:
Mary....mmmn think you talking a...Anonymous wrote:<br /><br /><i>Mary....mmmn think you talking abouta jewish woman named miriam.</i><br /><br />Of course. Are you quibbling about a translation of her name into English? Odd of you to do that...<br /><br /><i>The church age, what church age.</i><br /><br />(??) Pardon? Who brought up "Church age", except for you?<br /><br /><i>Since christs resurrection this 'world has in no way changed its just had violent despotic rulers and kings and Popes of course who claim to come in the name of christianity but represent everything but.</i><br /><br />Well... do you have reasoning to support those statements, or are they your raw opinion?<br /><br /><i>Church age, The Rapture LOLOLOLOLOL, ignorant you are sir, oh and I bet your american too, ( usualy the two go together)</i><br /><br />Do me a favour: look up "ad hominem fallacy", when you get the chance. You might also give some thought as to how "Christ-like" you've been, by mocking me for my country of origin, throwing insults without a shred of evidence, and otherwise acting like a troll.paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-63761593874553568742010-12-20T12:18:32.569-05:002010-12-20T12:18:32.569-05:00Mary....mmmn think you talking abouta jewish woman...Mary....mmmn think you talking abouta jewish woman named miriam. The church age, what church age. Since christs resurrection this 'world has in no way changed its just had violent despotic rulers and kings and Popes of course who claim to come in the name of christianity but represent everything but.<br />Church age, The Rapture LOLOLOLOLOL, ignorant you are sir, oh and I bet your american too, ( usualy the two go together)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-13238035176615788152010-04-24T15:14:37.733-04:002010-04-24T15:14:37.733-04:00Hi, DJP,
Any progress on our topic/discussion?Hi, DJP,<br /><br />Any progress on our topic/discussion?paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-38108345743719955142010-04-10T21:40:33.410-04:002010-04-10T21:40:33.410-04:00Hi, DJP,
No worries... take your time; write when...Hi, DJP,<br /><br />No worries... take your time; write when you can. I certainly understand busy-ness!<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br /><i>Thanks for your massive reply..<br />Much of it well stated.. and much of it wrong.</i><br /><br />:) Well... I hope you'll forgive me for withholding judgment on that claim, for the time being...paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-51568091446332665162010-04-10T18:28:14.281-04:002010-04-10T18:28:14.281-04:00Wow...
Thanks for your massive reply..
Much of it...Wow... <br />Thanks for your massive reply..<br />Much of it well stated.. and much of it wrong.. I love the passion though.. to write all that you were moved and motivate...<br /><br />I stated my position and we have a huge disagreement.. Give me about a week and I'll try to comment on your statements.<br /><br />Thanks "DJP" <br /><br /><br />2 Tim 2:23The Ignorant Fishermenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-37986402814691717962010-04-10T10:42:58.262-04:002010-04-10T10:42:58.262-04:00Whoops... two typos, in the above... one minor, on...Whoops... two typos, in the above... one minor, one embarrassing!<br /><br />From part II: "(Sorry about breaking the comment... the silly "Paladin Limit" [GET SIN] the way of these long comments!)" should read "gets in", of course! (Ouch! :) )<br /><br />And the last part was part IV, not part V! (Sorry... I have some sort of flu at the moment, and I'm not as careful as I might be.)paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-26385648838836453422010-04-10T10:38:29.915-04:002010-04-10T10:38:29.915-04:00Part V (last):
Knowing this first, that no prophe...Part V (last):<br /><br /><i>Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 St. Peter 2:20-21)</i><br /><br />Right. I'd add, as a side note, that your quote of this passage is ironic: since non-Catholics often rely on "personal interpretation" of Scripture. St. Peter warns against this in the strongest terms:<br /><br />"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16)<br /><br /><i>God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Numb 23:19)</i><br /><br />Right. But one can believe every last bit of Scripture, and yet not believe that Scripture ALONE is mandated. Right?<br /><br /><i>So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).</i><br /><br />Of course. But see above.<br /><br /><i>and countless others. My dear friend let go of your traditions and place your trust solely in God’s infallible Word and the Christ of Holy Scripture. That is where true assurance is found.</i><br /><br />As I mentioned earlier: I fully trust in your good heart and sincerity; but I do assert that you're mistaken in your understanding of God's Holy Word. Every last scrap of your commentary (good though it is) supports the VALUE of the Scriptures--which I never denied, and never (God willing) will deny; but not one line of it demonstrated any reason to follow the Luther-esque idea of "Scripture ALONE". Surely you see that?<br /><br />The "Word of God" is Jesus, Himself (John 1:1: "In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God."); it is not limited to what happens to be included in the Holy Bible (though that's precious, irreplaceable, and absolutely necessary).paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-753308873076627782010-04-10T10:36:27.629-04:002010-04-10T10:36:27.629-04:00Part III:
5) We have the inerrant testimony of St...Part III:<br /><br />5) We have the inerrant testimony of St. John, in his Gospel, that there is an immense number of things that Jesus said and did, which is NOT recorded in that Gospel:<br /><br />"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." (John 21:25)<br /><br />Since the rest of the Bible did not fill the world, we can assume that the Bible doesn't include all of what St. John references. Thus, it's perfectly reasonable to allow for the idea that some of Jesus' message came down through oral tradition--while still being preserved inerrant by the Holy Spirit.<br /><br /><i>For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears And they shall turn away their ears from the TRUTH (John 17:17), and shall be turned unto fables (2 Tim 4:3-4).</i><br /><br />Absolutely true, and prescient. I would add that the definition of "sound doctrine" needs to be firmed up, though; Catholics, for example, think that this Scripture is an indictment of Protestant doctrines, you know...<br /><br />(I don't mention that to be antagonistic--honestly; I mention that only to show you that the Scripture in question doesn't support your case.)<br /><br /><i>But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (St. Matt 15:3,8-9).</i><br /><br />Right... and all commandments of men which are contrary to the Word of God (whether handed down by word of mouth, or in writing--as St. Paul says in 2 Thes 2:14) should be rejected; but all Tradition which is set down by God Himself should be followed.<br /><br /><i>But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8-9.)</i><br /><br />Definitely. If any doctrine truly contradicts Divine Revelation (whether oral or written), it is to be rejected utterly.<br /><br />Continued in part IV...paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-64229161837334695082010-04-10T10:34:27.169-04:002010-04-10T10:34:27.169-04:00Hi, again, DJP,
(Sorry about breaking the comment...Hi, again, DJP,<br /><br />(Sorry about breaking the comment... the silly <a href="http://blogging.nitecruzr.net/2009/05/blogger-limits-comment-length.html?showComment=1244062388286#c255130886384076813" rel="nofollow">"Paladin Limit"</a> get sin the way of these long comments!<br /><br />1) Are you somehow under the impression that I've added to the text of the Book of Revelation? I assure you, I haven't; aside from some minor translation errors, your text is fundamentally the same as mine. So--unless you mean "added" in some broader and metaphorical sense--this wouldn't seem to mean "sola Scriptura". (Even if it were to mean exactly what you presume: wouldn't it mean that only the Book of Revelation is necessary? It only mentions itself, after all...) The text of Revelation says nothing at all about "following Scripture (i.e. the Bible) alone"; so long as no one adds to the Book of Revelation (i.e. inserts their own words, trying to pawn it off as true Scripture) or subtracts from the Book of Revelation, you'd be hard-pressed to say that the warning was applicable at all.<br /><br />2) In fact: your (apparent) view would cause some rather awkward problems for Protestants who use the 66-book canon of Scripture, rather than the full 73-book Bible. The 73-book Bible (translated from the Greek Septuagint--which was in use in Our Blessed Lord Jesus' time, and from which He quoted many times--was used for well over a millenium, before Luther, et al., removed 7 books and parts of several others (and seriously considered the removal of four others... including the Books of James, Hebrews, Jude, and--ironically enough--the Book of Revelation!).<br /><br />3) Your play on words ("last book of the Book") is clever, but don't you see that "the Book" (i.e. the Bible) hadn't yet been compiled, by the time St. John wrote these words in the Apocalypse? There were plenty of books which were "in the running" as "canonical" (i.e. inspired Scripture)--including the Didache, the "Shepherd" (of Hermas), and many books which were nowhere near as wholesome as these. The curse/warning at the end of the Book of Revelation simply couldn't have applied to "the Bible", since the final canon of Scripture wasn't settled definitively until the end of the 4th century (at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage)... or, arguably, until the 16th century (at the Council of Trent).<br /><br />4) Are you somehow under the impression that belief in things other than "the prophecy of the book [the Greek really reads "scroll"--especially since "books" such as we have weren't used in that time, and in that place]" is somehow "adding to the prophecy"? Our belief that abortion is murder, for example, is nowhere to be found in the exact text of Scripture--nor is our belief that human cloning is wrong, and so on. But are we forbidden from holding these views simply because they're "extra-Biblical"? I would suggest that it's perfectly permissible to hold views which: (a) can be logically *deduced* from Scripture, or (b) are contained in the Sacred Tradition handed down to us:<br /><br />"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:14)<br /><br />"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you." (1 Corinthians 11:2)<br /><br />Apparently, some traditions are good, and some are bad. We can't simply throw them out, wholesale; we can't throw the baby out with the bath-water.<br /><br />Continued in part III...paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-5286029804766743752010-04-10T10:31:14.728-04:002010-04-10T10:31:14.728-04:00Hi, DJP,
You wrote:
Thanks for your reply! From ...Hi, DJP,<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br /><i>Thanks for your reply! From your wording you must NOT believe it to be/say so.</i><br /><br />If you're referring to the idea that I don't find "sola Scriptura" (in the sense of "if something which pertains to faith and morals is not in the Bible, don't trust it") to be in the Bible, then yes... that's true.<br /><br /><i>If it(the Bible) did, the majority of what you have trusted in your whole life would go up in smoke.</i><br /><br />Ahm... :) ...with all due respect: how do you get that? My knowledge of the "lack of sola Scripura in the Bible" is rather recent; it's not at all something "in which I've trusted for my whole life". I may not quite fit the stereotype of what you might have in mind, friend...<br /><br /><i>I do not doubt your true sincerity</i><br /><br />Please know that I feel the same, toward you! I certainly don't have any animus against you (you seem like a very nice fellow); this is a tactical point of "objective truth" which I'd like to get quite clear.<br /><br /><i>but as you may recall Saul (Paul) was also sincere, zealous for “God’s Law” and dead wrong.</i><br /><br />Absolutely. That's one of the reasons why sane reason and logic--and not mere sentiments, habits, or "feelings"--should be used (in conjunction with Divine Revelation, of course) to discover truth.<br /><br /><i>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16).</i><br /><br />Absolutely true.<br /><br /><i>Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away (St. Mark 13:31).</i><br /><br />Right, again.<br /><br /><i>Sanctify (set them apart/ make holy) them in the truth: thy WORD is truth St. John 17:17).</i><br /><br />Again, very true.<br /><br /><i>For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Rev 22:18,19) The last book of the Book.</i><br /><br />Again, true... but half a moment, here. I have some sincere questions about (what I take to be) your interpretation of this:<br /><br />Continued in Part II...paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-48133949097344913712010-04-09T18:07:21.526-04:002010-04-09T18:07:21.526-04:00Thanks for your reply! From your wording you must ...Thanks for your reply! From your wording you must NOT believe it to be/say so. If it(the Bible) did, the majority of what you have trusted in your whole life would go up in smoke. I do not doubt your true sincerity but as you may recall Saul (Paul) was also sincere, zealous for “God’s Law” and dead wrong…. In God’s mercy and grace … the risen Lord met Saul and confronted him in grace and mercy. That zealous man turned his heart to the Lord in TRUTH and the world has never been the same. Paul was God’s penman for most of the New Testament and he never taught about Mary.<br /><br /><br />All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16).<br /><br />Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away (St. Mark 13:31).<br /><br />Sanctify (set them apart/ make holy) them in the truth: thy WORD is truth St. John 17:17).<br /><br />For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Rev 22:18,19) The last book of the Book.<br /><br />For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears And they shall turn away their ears from the TRUTH (John 17:17), and shall be turned unto fables (2 Tim 4:3-4).<br /><br />But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (St. Matt 15:3,8-9).<br /><br />But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8-9.<br />)<br />Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 St. Peter 2:20-21)<br /><br />God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Numb 23:19)<br /><br />So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).<br /><br />and countless others. My dear friend let go of your traditions and place your trust solely in God’s infallible Word and the Christ of Holy Scripture. That is where true assurance is found.<br /><br />And ye shall know (Greek 1097 -by application of God’s Word) the truth, and the truth shall make you free! If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed (St. John 8:32,36).<br /><br />DJP I.F.The Ignorant Fishermenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-88988982567944728942010-04-08T19:15:02.439-04:002010-04-08T19:15:02.439-04:00Er... one question:
If you're claiming that t...Er... one question:<br /><br />If you're claiming that the Bible (which is certainly inspired by God, and beneficial) is the "absolute and final authority" for all salvific matters--in essence, saying that "if it's not in the Bible, don't follow it" (a.k.a. "sola Scriptura")--can you tell me where the Bible teaches such an idea? If the idea isn't in the Bible, then "sola Scriptura" requires that one shouldn't follow it, right?paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097301774804069480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-2795304325137762522010-02-26T16:44:49.249-05:002010-02-26T16:44:49.249-05:00gibby 62, Thanks. i just want to encourage everyon...gibby 62, Thanks. i just want to encourage everyone to let God be God and let the Holy Scriptures be the Holy Scriptures! When we do that we usually get hammered.<br /><br />Thanks!<br />God BlessThe Ignorant Fishermenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-26677252980751878392010-02-26T14:02:59.534-05:002010-02-26T14:02:59.534-05:00Thank you for this wonderful and truth filled stud...Thank you for this wonderful and truth filled study.<br /><br />Have you seen Joseph Herrin's study on Syncretism (there's about 8 parts)? http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/syncretism.html<br /><br />Seems many are pointing out the heresies of the current organized Christian religion.gibby62noreply@blogger.com