tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post5148747750193034906..comments2023-12-07T10:19:05.818-05:00Comments on The Ignorant Fishermen Blog: The Short Lived Anti-Christ PartyThe Ignorant Fishermenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05673973129940277983noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-734817143510679440.post-40671706011205858582013-03-03T01:29:33.757-05:002013-03-03T01:29:33.757-05:00Margaret Macdonald Was a Church-Splitter
... Margaret Macdonald Was a Church-Splitter<br /> <br /> "church" RAPTURE "church"<br /> (present age) (tribulation)<br /><br /> Pretrib leaders agree. John Walvoord's "Rapture Question" (1979) says her view resembles the "partial-rapture view" and Hal Lindsey's "The Rapture" (1983) admits that "she definitely teaches a partial Rapture." But there's more. Lindsey (p. 26) says partial rapturists see only "spiritual" Christians in the rapture and "unspiritual" ones left behind to endure Antichrist's trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists "pretribulationists"!<br /> In the spring of 1830 Macdonald was the first person to see a pretrib (pre-Antichrist) rapture in the Bible. It was a partial rapture form of it since only those "filled with the Spirit" would be raptured before the revealing of "THE WICKED" (Antichrist). A few critics, favoring repeating more than researching, have seen "Church" in the tribulation section of her statement, have been unaware that the charts of all partial rapturists show "Church" on earth after their pretrib rapture (like the above chart shows), and have assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!<br /> In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly echo her novel view when it stated that spiritual "Philadelphia" would be raptured before "the great tribulation" and unspiritual "Laodicea" left on earth. In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called "father of dispensationalism" even though he wasn't first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture (in the "Christian Herald") which he described as Christ's coming for "His judging of the nations." <br /> Pretrib didn't spring from a "church/Israel" dichotomy, as many have assumed, but from a "church/church" one, as we've seen, and was based only on symbols!<br /> But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW (Sep. 1830) saw only less worthy church members left behind.) Two years later (Sep. 1832) TMW said that less worthy church members and "Jews" would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only "Jews" would face the Antichrist!<br /> As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews." And he didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 "man child...caught up" symbol he'd "borrowed" (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!<br /> For related articles Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by D.M., "Pretrib Rapture Pride," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "Scholars Weigh My Research." The most detailed and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books online) - a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.<br /><br />(Preceding seen on net. Alex)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com