Monday, May 16, 2016

America's Suicide - Abandonment of Almighty God's Moral Absolutes

How can America or any society survive when moral relativism and political correctness are embraced and exalted and sound morality is scoffed at and demonized by both political parties? The answer is, “It will not!” Thus, we now see the sad estate of our nation and are witnessing its coming downfall. America as a nation has abandoned Almighty God and our Founding Father's ideals years ago, but with this nation's outright rejection at present of any sound moral principles there is no where left to go but into a perpetual state of lawlessness, anarchy, tyranny and despotism.

With this nation's outright rejection at present of any sound moral principles there is no where left to go but into a perpetual state of lawlessness, anarchy, tyranny and despotism.

Today, many so called "conservatives" and "Christians" are aligning themselves with the fiscal side of conservative, while ignoring, compromising  and rejecting its sound moral position (Matt. 6:24, Luke 16:13, Rev. 3:15-22). These godless dreamers are deceiving themselves and are being deceived by the god of this world and his lawless minions. These are only looking at their personal temporal pleasures and are oblivious to the tyranny and lawless consequences they sowing throughout our land (Eph. 2:1-2, 2 Tim. 3:1-7,13; 4:1-4, Jude 1:10). These are by no means stopping the bleeding of our nation's woes by aligning themselves to the moral relativism of the Left; as a matter of fact they are collaborators in feeding and fanning the fires of decadence. These are more than willingly to join in on the abandonment of Almighty God's ordained moral absolutes to seek an acceptance with a decadent nation and her unbridled passions (2 Tim. 3:1-7). These are placing ALL of their trust in the wrong ideal and are accomplices of the demise of our nation, as prophetically predicted by our Founding Fathers.

This nation - due to her abandonment of moral absolutes and soon Rapture of the body of Christ - will finally implode on herself, thus opening the door to the entrance of the Day of the Lord!

Tragically, it will be this complete abandonment of social morals that will be America's final demise. My dear friends we are all ready there! This nation - due to her abandonment of moral absolutes and soon Rapture of the body of Christ - will finally implode on herself, thus opening the door to the entrance of the Day of the Lord (Rev. 6-19). My dear friends, it is absolutely crucial for all individuals to be sure that they personally know the Savior (John 1:12, 3:16-17, 1 John 5:10-13). This world is headed into the final showdown between lawlessness and RIGHTEOUSNESS. Between Lucifer the fallen angelic creature and the ETERNAL GOD and CREATOR of ALL that is in the heavens and the earth (Rev. 16:13-16). My dear friends, the Kingdom of Heaven is TRULY at hand!


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Rick Frueh said...

Even if "America" obeyed all of God's moral absolutes it would still be without Christ. In fact Jesus did not die for the amalgam called "america". He died for sinners who He judges on a one by one basis.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for continuing to preach repentance. Turning away from the evil and reaching towards Jesus's outstretched hand.

Witnessing to people at work and sometimes even at church has become even more difficult. My heart aches for so many people I know that will not accept Jesus - not accept the bible as the inerrant word of God.

Whenever I tire of the evil in the world - in those around me, I read the blog articles here - preaching sound biblical doctrine - so very rare today. The exponential explosion of humanism astounds me.

Preach on. Preach on. Preach on.

May we meet on the other side my brothers in Christ.

The Ignorant Fishermen said...

To God be the Glory!!

Even So Come Lord Jesus!

Anonymous said...

Jesus commanded us to love one another... but Christians take great pride in hating those of God's children that they consider lesser. God loves us all. God told us to neither a borrower nor a lender be... but we are a nation of debtors who put mammon before God. God loves us, not money. Nothing will get better until we learn to love one another more than money. It really is that simple. God help us.

The Ignorant Fishermen said...

What is "your" definition of love?


The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, Thanks for your vent. You have found a convenient way to look at the Bible which fits your personal point of view and war on your Creator. I agree with you fully that the USA sees Almighty God, the Bible and Christians as you stated as evil... that is why all will lead to great tribulation Rev. 6-19) and to Armageddon (Psalm 2).

Progressives have destroyed America not Christianity or the 10 commandments. When you see things in light of ETERNITY and the RIGHTEOUSNESS of Almighty God then you will finally understand. You need to be born again my friend until then you will rage at your Creator and be confused (John 3:3-7.

Rom. 1:18-32, 1 Cor. 1:18-31


Gary said...

Dear friend,

But how do you know that Yahweh exists? There may well be a Creator, but how do you know as fact that Yahweh, the ancient God of the Hebrews, is that Creator?

I have no issue with who or what created the universe. But there is no evidence that this Creator is the God of the Bible. What evidence do you have that he is, other than your internal feelings and intuition?

The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, Thanks for your reply again and I believe there is a ton of evidence.

Have you ever watched that TV show, "How things are made"? These incredible machines just do not happen by time and chance. If fallen man can create great machines by using the establish laws of physics, math, the element table etc… to do incredible things then an incredible universe must have a Designer and Creator who created these universal ABSOLUTES AND LAWS to use (Psalm 19:1-7, Proverbs 3:19, Rom. 1:18-22)

Creation testifies fully to all of a Designer and Creator and One who's person is of order and purpose (Rom. 1:18-32).

Lawlessness in this world shows that our relationship to Him is out of order (Rom. 1:18-32).

Jesus' righteous life which was given for all is the propitiation that satisfies Almighty God's righteous (perfect) demands (John 3:16-17, Rom. 10:2-4, 1 John 4:10, Rev. 1:5).

The key is to see the ETERNAL or the big picture rightly. Almighty God the Creator at the end of time will judge all according to His Righteous standards which none can live up to since man's fall (Rom. 5:12-21, 7:18-25). He gives us the free will to choose Him (Rev. 20:11-15 or Rev. 21-22:1-5)

Gary I would like to encourage you to take this challenge we put out objectively with no bias and just let the Gospel of John be the Gospel of John and let me know what you think. I'll put the link below.

God is very real and a God of order and His creation all around you speaks of His righteousness and accountability. Jesus (God the Son) came in the flesh to make God known to a physical world and when they saw Him and heard Him they rejected and crucified Him (John 1:10-12). However, because he NEVER sinned and lived a PERFECT ordered life - spiritually and morally - death could not hold Him (Acts 2:24, 17:30-31, Romans 3:23, 4:24 Rev. 1:5). I encourage you to look up the Bible verse to see for yourself.



Gary said...

Hi David,

Let's accept for a moment that a Divine Creator did create the universe. I am certainly willing to accept that as a possibility.

My question is: How do you know that the Hebrew god Yahweh is the Divine Creator? How do you know that everything the Bible says about Yahweh is true?

There very well may be a Divine Creator but I have found no solid evidence to believe that Yahweh is the Creator other than assumptions and hearsay.

The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Hey Gary, Thanks again for your reply. In my last email I pointed out that creation, (Yahweh's) established absolutes and laws (moral and nature), His 10 commandments, and Son's witness to the world and resurrection and redemption all show and display order and harmony thus revealing His person.

Islam does not offer that, other world philosophies also do not offer that. The Law given to Israel was to show that they were not righteous (perfect) and neither was the world. Such were the Leviticus dietary laws…to teach. They were to teach them the difference between good and bad and that was it. We have that today even in our society.

We are a fallen creation and we need redemption and be restored back to order (Rom. 5:12-21). The 10 commandments are a teacher to teach us how we need a Savior and redemption. Islam does not offer that, today's Judaism being incomplete because it rejects the Messiah's atonement (Isa. 53)… does not offer that… though there are Jews who have received it and so also do not many "Christian religions or philosophies that do the same.

I would have to point to the 10 commandments and the redemption found in Jesus Christ as our propitiation. No other religious philosophy points to that based on righteousness and order. That is what the Holy Spirit is doing today, convicting the world of its transgression and seeking to lead them to repentance and restoration through Jesus Christ for redemption.

Let me send you a link which really points this out. Be objective and you will see that the Perfect law points to a perfect Savior and the REALITY of the God of the Bible (Yahweh (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)


Gary said...

Thank you for the response, Dave, but unfortunately you did not answer my question. How do you know that Yahweh is the Creator God? What evidence do you have?

I realize that evidence can be given for a Creator, but I am not challenging that assertion. I am requesting evidence that proves the Christian claim that Yahweh, the ancient Hebrew God, is the Creator.

I would prefer that you give me the evidence yourself, rather than refer me to someone else's website or book.



The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, I have and given you many Bible verses to back my claim. By faith in God's Righteous Word you will see. That's it. I by faith receive Yahweh's testimony found in the Bible.

By Faith in God's Word I have come to the REALITY that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Moses, David, Paul, Peter, Dr. McGee etc. is the true God and His righteous Word reveals that to me and bears witness to my conscience that Yahweh is. It perfectly matches the Person of God, with His creation and His Righteousness. If you want tangible evidence then I cannot help you. Its all by faith my friend and that is hard for a lot of people.

I hope that answers it my friend... by faith

My friend let me ask you a question... How do you know that the Bible does not reveal Yahweh to you?


Gary said...

" How do you know that the Bible does not reveal Yahweh to you?"

Sorry, Dave, but that is a logical fallacy. I am not making the assertion that Yahweh is not "revealed" in the Bible. I am not asserting the non-existence of Yahweh. Just as I cannot prove the non-existence of pink unicorns, I cannot prove the non-existence of Yahweh. No one can disprove the existence of a non-physical supernatural entity. No one can disprove the existence of Zeus, for instance.

If you believe that there is no evidence for Yahweh as the Creator; that you accept this concept by faith alone, based on how this belief makes you feel and think internally, I have no issue with that. I was under the impression that Christians had evidence for their supernatural belief system.

Also, in our discussion, you seem to argue from the premise that since the Bible says that Yahweh is God the Creator, then he must be. But again, I must ask you, based on what evidence do you believe that the Bible is the factually inerrant Word of the Creator God?

If again, you say that this concept can only be believed by faith, I cannot argue that point. However, what I can say is that your belief system has no more evidence to support its divine, supernatural claims than does any other supernatural based religion on the planet.

Thank you for your responses, Dave.


The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, Can you prove to me that you are Gary? What proof do you offer me? You can show me an ID with your picture on, birth certificate, family witnesses etc... but it proves nothing if I choose to not believe. All the evidence in the world cannot convince me that you are Gary if I choose not to receive the overwhelming evidence and since you cannot convince me I am free to live my life knowing that I have satisfied my theory that there is no Gary.

My friend, All the evidence in the world can never convince an unbelieving heart. As I stated earlier, Yahweh came in the flesh and was seen by thousands upon thousands but they still did not believe and crucified Him.

Thank you for this exercise though, I love a challenge, it only strengthens my faith and teaches me many things.

I wish you well on your journey my friend. May one day you find Yahweh Yeshua.


Gary said...

Why does this always happen in my discussions with Christians? They boast of all the "overwhelming evidence" but present absolutely none.

If you want to believe that Yahweh has created belief somewhere inside you called a "soul", that is certainly your right, but I would encourage you to consider this, Dave: A devout Mormon, a devout Hindu, a devout Orthodox Jew, and a devout Hindu are JUST as sure as you that THEIR god has told them the REAL truth.

Without evidence, your supernatural belief system is simply built on nothing more than warm fuzzy feelings, and there is no proof that your fuzzy feelings mean anything more than that of the people in these other religions.

I would love to discuss the evidence for Christianity with you if you are so inclined (or dare...), Dave.



Anonymous said...

no one can prove the NON-existence of something. I can no more "prove" god/allah/yahweh does not exist the same as you cannot prove Russell's teapot does not exist orbiting the sun. That said, many of the extraordinary claims made by the faithful of many sects/religions can be dismissed since they provide no evidence to suggest they have any remote basis/foundation.

I read a book that tells of a Pet Cemetery in Maine where I can bury my dog and it will come back to life - this means it's true, right?

You read a book where a man died and was buried and came back to life a flew off to "heaven".

At least I'm pretty sure I can find a pet cemetery in Maine to use as some semblance of "evidence" to corroborate my story. And I can develop all manner of apologetics as to why burying you pet there now will not bring your pet back to life ... but you'd be rightfully skeptical of my claim ... just like atheists are skeptical of the jesus myth ... but you've produced less evidence to support your claim.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

There is simply more and better natural explanations and evidence to explain many of the fantastic assertions attributed to supernatural or divine sources ... enough that an objective and rational mind would not conclude that a creator being is the root and cause of the natural world surrounding him/her.

there is no evidence to suggest gods, devils, heaven or hell exists - at this point in the history of the uni/multiverse. Could there be? Sure ... but there could also be Flying Pink Unicorns ... we're not holding our breath on those either

Gary said...

Here is my story, Dave, if you are interested:

I grew up fundamentalist Baptist. I repented of all my sins and accepted Jesus Christ into my heart to be my Lord and Savior at age nine…and again in my early teens…just to be sure. In my early 20’s my family moved to another state where we attended a non-denominational, evangelical mega-church (which taught Baptist doctrine) for several years. In my mid to late 20’s I stopped going to church because I didn’t “feel” God inside me and he didn’t seem to listen when I prayed.

I remained unchurched until I was married in my forties. I started attending liberal churches. When we had children, I started looking again at more conservative/fundamentalist churches, something closer to what I had believed as a child and teenager. We joined a conservative, orthodox Lutheran church. I became very involved in the church. I was happy and content in my orthodox Christian belief system. I read the Bible and prayed regularly.

One day I was surfing the internet and came across an atheist’s website. He was a former fundamentalist Baptist/evangelical pastor! I was shocked! I started to engage him in conversation, and also tried to bring him back to the Faith, to belief in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

However, this man pointed out to me some very big assumptions in my Christian belief system which I had never thought of, such as:

1. Just because there is evidence for a Creator does not mean that the Creator is the Christian God, Yahweh.

2. Our current Bibles contain thousands of scribe alterations, most of them inconsequential, but a couple of them are shocking. Why did God allow scribes copying the original Scriptures to change, delete, add, or alter his inerrant, Holy, Word?

3. How do we know that the books of the New Testament are the Word of God? Is there a verse that tells us? Did Jesus give us a list? Did Paul?

4. Do we really have any verifiable eyewitness testimony for the Resurrection or is it all hearsay and legend?

5. Modern archaeology proves that the Captivity in Egypt, the Exodus, the forty years in the Sinai, the Conquest of Canaan, and the great kingdoms of David and Solomon are only ancient Hebrew fables.

At first I fought him tooth and nail. I fought him for four months. At the very end I had to admit that there are no verifiable eyewitness accounts of the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible or anywhere else. All we have are four anonymous first century texts full of discrepancies and contradictions.
The only thing I had left to attach my faith to was the testimony of the Apostle Paul: why would a devout Jewish rabbi convert to a religion he so hated unless he really saw a resurrected dead man on the Damascus Road?

But after studying the five Bible passages that discuss Paul’s conversion, I had to admit that Paul never says he saw a resurrected body. All Paul says is that he saw a light…and that this event occurred in a “heavenly vision”. Visions are not reality...not in the 21st century nor in the 1st.

And as for the improbability that a Jewish rabbi would convert to a hated religion, there is a Muslim cleric in Israel today who not too many years ago was an ardent Zionist Jewish settler and rabbi, intent on ridding the Muslims from Jewish land.

Strange conversions occur. They do not prove that the new religion is true and inerrant.

I was broken-hearted, but I saw my Christian Faith was nothing more than an ancient superstition that had been modified in the first century by Jesus, a good man, but a dead man. There is zero evidence that this first century Jew is alive and the Ruler of the Universe.

The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, thanks for sharing that with me. I really like talking to you.
I will respond later tonight when I have more time.

Please email, maybe we can set up a time where we can talk.




The Ignorant Fishermen said...

Gary, No offense but maybe you were never truly saved as the Bible teaches. It seemed that you just went through the motions but had never been truly regenerated as the Scriptures teach. No wonder you are so distraught. That happens all the time in Baptist circles Catholic, circles Protestant circles etc..etc. I know since I came out of Catholicism. Sometimes the church upbringing or certain individuals turn us off from God and we cannot make the proper connection because we feel that we have too conform to a dogma more than just knowing God for who He is (John 1:12).

Remember, 2 plus 2 equals 4 whether I feel it or not, whether all is going good or all is going horrible. The same is true with Biblical absolutes. Paul heard the resurrected Lord Messiah (Psalm 110:1) on the Damascus road (Acts 9). Remember Paul thought that he was in the right but in his heart something was missing. After his conversion (being born again – Rom 10:2-4) he was more than willing to die and give of himself fully and pay any price that all would know Jesus Messiah, even to the suffer of ETERNAL damnation if Israel could be saved (Phil 3:7-8, ). A changed life speaks volumes my friend; even my life (2 Cor. 5:17-21). Gary, do you have any evidence that the resurrection did not happen? The evidence that Christ did exist and His resurrection took place is sure and is the center piece of this world in which we live in today and for 2000 years.

It seems to me you have always been wrestling with God and looking for an out. I would like to talk to you on the phone if you would like since emails take for ever and can be easily misunderstood. Just email me if you are up to that. I will leave that up to you.

Thanks for your emails!